Sorry to read what you are going through. I know that there's always a clear sky after the storm. It's not a matter of faith, but a matter of my personal experience. You will be fine. There are a lot of good people out there that can share their joy of lfe. just don't expect them to come knocking at your doors. They may, but it's better that you search for them. They are enjoying a hobby, they are volunteering, they are into sports, they are persuing careers, they may be in clubs of one sort or another. Life is beautiful, it is out of view right now, but you will see its beauty soon.
never a jw
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Scared I'll Never be Happy Again
by Stumbeline inso it's' been 8 months since i was disfellowshiped.
i moved out of my mothers house accross the country to room with a friend.
things have been going ok, it's just strange to be so far away from everything that felt familiar, even the meetings.
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only JW's can analize scripture because they are spiritual
by never a jw inonly spiritual people can read scripture.
may 17, 2014. dear never a jw,.
but logic tells me we are just not on the same page, and will never agree until we are.. elder.
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DD
I will look into the suggestions. I have tried lots of subjects in the past but not the one you are writing about.
ADCMS,
I read the part of the reasoning book but missed the significance of the comment regarding their typical circular reasoning
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only JW's can analize scripture because they are spiritual
by never a jw inonly spiritual people can read scripture.
may 17, 2014. dear never a jw,.
but logic tells me we are just not on the same page, and will never agree until we are.. elder.
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His response
Dear never a jw,
Daniel 12:9,10, Proverbs 4:18 and Acts 1:6 will shed light on that subject. -
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only JW's can analize scripture because they are spiritual
by never a jw inonly spiritual people can read scripture.
may 17, 2014. dear never a jw,.
but logic tells me we are just not on the same page, and will never agree until we are.. elder.
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Here's the latest exchange today
Dear elder
So what you are saying is that you can read the scripture and remake the history of the Earth and history of antiquity and modern times, adapt it to your spiritual preconceived ideas and screw the experts because they are a bunch of idiots who don't understand my spiritual brain and soul.
If that's so, why would the watchtower quote over and over and over again from Bible scholars, historians, biologists, archaeologists, engineers, etc. Since those experts are incapable of understanding spirituality, what authority does the WT appeal to. Might as well create your own world, your own history and live in your own land (Oceania).
Incredible, just the most incredible form of circular reasoning. What do you make of the highly spiritual leadership of the WT which has changed the interpretation of scripture hundreds of times. Were they spiritual before the change or after the change. Were they spiritual when the FDS was Charles T. Russell, or when the FDS was the anointed, or the FDS is the current Governing Body. You have to choose which is the spiritual period of the Watchtower so we can denounce the impostors. Who is (are) the impostor(s), Russell, Rutherford and Franz, or the current Governing Body? Never a JW
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only JW's can analize scripture because they are spiritual
by never a jw inonly spiritual people can read scripture.
may 17, 2014. dear never a jw,.
but logic tells me we are just not on the same page, and will never agree until we are.. elder.
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Following is my exchange with an elder whom I bombarded with many questions of JW doctrine (false prophecies and changed doctrine) and contradictions in the Bible. He pretty much remains silent or evasive. Always answers very respectfully. He is a prominent elder, who always speaks in conventions. He is the assistant (replacement) of the C.O. The whole family is very well known because there are lawyers in Bethel, C.O.'s, and elders. No more details because he can easily be identified by anyone living in his area. Enjoy his circular reasoning that goes like this.
Scripture is from God. Only spiritual people can read scripture. i declare I am spiritual, you are not. therefore I understand scripture, you don't.
May 17, 2014
Dear never a jw,
I know changes and errors are a big worry for you, [he is referring to all the WT screw ups that I have brought to his attention]and I understand why. Seen from your point of view, it's logical to conclude what you have concluded. But, from what I have read in the Greek Scriptures, there were many problems back then too. That, in and of itself, did not mean those were not true Christians. They were simply imperfect, as we all are.
There is, however, one big difference between then and now. You can read about it in the reasoning book, under the subject "Jehovah's Witnesses". Whereas the apostles were inspired to write what they wrote, today's Governing body has never professed to be inspired.
I think one of the reasons we disagree so much is that we each look at life very differently. I see things in a spiritual (religious) light, you see them in afleshly (pragmatic) light. We each persue different ends, we have a different outlook on the past, present and future… You may think I'm just dodging the issue. I understand that. But logic tells me we are just not on the same page, and will never agree until we are.Elder
May 18
Dear elder,
I want to believe that I am in the page of the "scientific" approach. I hope I adhere to the group that tries to explain phenomena that can be confirmed with our five senses and leave the rest, the invisible and capricious, to religion and religious… I believe that religious dogma is a waste of the human intellect that may keep some people happy, but parasitic and burdensome to the rest (doctors, scientists, engineers, inventors, etc) who are succesfully solving the challenges facing humanity….I rather direct my efforts towards the satisfaction of the very tangible needs of my fellow humans than spin my wheels spreading dogma that only serves to confirm the beliefs of the dwellers of Plato's cave.
Never a jw
May 18, 2014
Dear never a jw,
I see your point, I really do. My view is based on 1 Corinthians 2:14 which I quote, not to refute what you say, but because it is true: " 14 But a physical man does not accept* the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. 15 However, the spiritual man examines all things,+ but he himself is not examined by any man. 16 For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah,* so that he may instruct him?”+ But we do have the mind of Christ.+" It has to do with point of view, so, it is very hard, next to impossible, to change a deeply entrenched point of view, such as yours and mine.
Do you not agree?Elder
May 19, 2014
Dear elder
Agree. But it doesn't mean that every part of your belief system is so divorced from mine that it is impossible to test it using agreed upon conventions. And with a modicum of honesty, in your part and my part, determine its flaws and weaknesses. The obstacle to testing some of your beliefs is not agreeing on a standard, but rather your total refusal to even take the test. Do you remember your reaction to my suggestion to do an in-depth research of the article "When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed" using the very same resources the WT researchers use to support their claims.
While I admit that I still don't precisely grasp what people mean when they say "spirituality", I don't deny that there's something marvelous and mysterious about life and the mind, but I refuse to speculate lest I commit the "argument from ignorance". I will let religious people have their never ending speculations and debates about divine purpose and interpretation of scripture. I can assess scripture only by its ability to describe reality as perceived by the senses and confirmed objectively. So I won't even start a debate regarding the existence of God. However, I can assess, for example, "past events" such as creation and the flood because we have reliable methods and evidence to confirm or disconfirm them. Regarding religion, because it consist of perceivable actions and claims by humans, can be assessed using methods similar to those used by scientists and historians.
never a jw
May 18, 2014
Dear never a jw,
I do not agree with your conclusion that you can analyze Acripture on your own. Of course, my basis for believing so is Scriptural. 1 Corinthians 2:11: "11 For who among men knows the things of a man except the man’s spirit within him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God except the spirit of God". But it is also logical.
For example, would we expect a person with no knowledgeof Mathematics to understand complicated equations. First some rudimentary knowledge is needed, and then, depending on the difficulty, some private tutoring may be necessary.
It's just as Jesus also said at Luke 10:21 "In that very hour he became overjoyed in the holy spirit and said: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have carefully hidden these things from wise and intellectual ones+ and have revealed them to young children. Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved."
It also seems logical that a fair God would allow all persons, even those with very little education, to understand his Word. How? By helping them, with his Holy Spirit, with his Word and with his people. Don't you agree?Elder
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Most Damning Publication?
by Wild_Thing inof all of the watchtower's many publications dating now to all the way back to russell, which one publication is the most damning in showing they are a complete crachpot of a religion?
and i course, i mean which original publication before they changed a few words and reprinted!.
personally, i think it is probably russell's the divine plan of the ages.
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Finished Mystery
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QFR August 15, 2014 - Resurrection and Marriage
by wisdomfrombelow inthe article addressed luke 20:34-36 and now they finally admit jesus could have been referring to the heavenly resurrection.
they said "put simply, the answer is that we cannot say" which is surprising because they have something to say about everything.
perhaps all the old people who are waiting the new world as widow and widowers want to know if they have a chance to be reunited with their dead loved one.
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Lois
You are so cynical, so perverse, and so right. Why would the channel of communication gratuitously make an ass of themselves again, unless their actions serve a "greater good".
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane ini've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
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Tough, tough. Hell I am not risking making a fool of myself. I have done it enough. You speculate away.
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OMG I'm so happy!!!!
by Julia Orwell inyup, the apostate is happy.
i shouldn't be, right, because my life is empty without "jehovah" and the organisation.. but i just got a job at one of the best theme parks in the world, which is so what i want to do, and it's the first permanent job i've had since i lost my government job in 2012!.
the job pays minimum wage but i don't care because working in tourism and entertainment is what i want to do!
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You are living the perfect life. Doing what you love and even get paid for that. Congratulations!
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Great campagne in Portugal (ex-JW)
by TJ Curioso ini like to tell you what we've been doing these past few days here in portugal (ex-jw).
we create a brochure and printing, so we can send to the maximum of congregations in portugal.
some individuals were also covered in this campaign.. the title of the pamphlet is: "when will the kingdom arrive?".
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TJ you have a PM
Apostate tizzy: "pathetic" is a strong word. I also noticed the misunderstanding of VG, but I don't think your reaction is the appropriate one. Calm down!